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	<link>http://www.somerandomdude.net/blog/design/empirically-beautiful/</link>
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		<title>By: Four Must-Have Web Stat Tools &#187; SOME RANDOM DUDE</title>
		<link>http://www.somerandomdude.net/blog/design/empirically-beautiful/#comment-4683</link>
		<author>Four Must-Have Web Stat Tools &#187; SOME RANDOM DUDE</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] CrazyEgg, feedburner, google analytics, mint, web analytics web statisticsA week ago, I wrote about the importance of empirical data for designing on the web. I thought it may be helpful to spell out a few tools I have been using to peer into who is coming to my blog and what they are doing once they get there. If you are like me, web statistics is something you take very seriously, but only enough to spend modest amounts of time and money on. Companies like Web Side Story offer insanely robust web analytics tools, but the learning curve and cost are out of this world. Honestly, for a person like myself, using HBX would be like killing a fly with a bomb. The good news is that there is a myriad of great tools out there for a minimal amount of money that can really give you great traffic data for your site. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] CrazyEgg, feedburner, google analytics, mint, web analytics web statisticsA week ago, I wrote about the importance of empirical data for designing on the web. I thought it may be helpful to spell out a few tools I have been using to peer into who is coming to my blog and what they are doing once they get there. If you are like me, web statistics is something you take very seriously, but only enough to spend modest amounts of time and money on. Companies like Web Side Story offer insanely robust web analytics tools, but the learning curve and cost are out of this world. Honestly, for a person like myself, using HBX would be like killing a fly with a bomb. The good news is that there is a myriad of great tools out there for a minimal amount of money that can really give you great traffic data for your site. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: somerandomdude</title>
		<link>http://www.somerandomdude.net/blog/design/empirically-beautiful/#comment-4575</link>
		<author>somerandomdude</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.somerandomdude.net/blog/design/empirically-beautiful/#comment-4575</guid>
		<description>Great thoughts Kellie.

I would definitely say that Craigslist is succeeding &lt;em&gt;despite&lt;/em&gt; a lack of good design. Their model of site structure works, but that doesn't mean that some visual polish couldn't be added to increase the user experience. Craigslist has done a lot of good by not over-designing. The problem is that they have also &lt;em&gt;under-designed&lt;/em&gt;. Striking that balance proves very difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thoughts Kellie.</p>
<p>I would definitely say that Craigslist is succeeding <em>despite</em> a lack of good design. Their model of site structure works, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that some visual polish couldn&#8217;t be added to increase the user experience. Craigslist has done a lot of good by not over-designing. The problem is that they have also <em>under-designed</em>. Striking that balance proves very difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: kellie</title>
		<link>http://www.somerandomdude.net/blog/design/empirically-beautiful/#comment-4567</link>
		<author>kellie</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.somerandomdude.net/blog/design/empirically-beautiful/#comment-4567</guid>
		<description>Excellent article PJ. I came from an educational background that focused on making beautiful web pages. Elegant typography. Experimental navigation systems. Provocative imagery.  In essence, it was implied that beauty alone could move mountains, or in the case of the internet, summon masses of viewers to that particularly pretty site. Of course, I soon realized that I was wrong when I learned that the success or failure of websites could be easily traced through straight forward statistics. 

Unfortunately, many of my designer friends who went through college with a traditional, print background just don't get it. They still believe that a beautiful looking site can conquer all, and they are not referring to the Experience design field. They are referring to e-commerce and other information heavy sites!!! Designers need to put their egos aside, realize that web design transcends being merely "another print project" or "art piece." Whether we like it or not, facts and numbers take precedence over feelings and plain old intuition.

Here's a thought to ponder or argue over...Although the Craigslist sight is supposedly an excellent example of organization, its visually design is underpar. What if the site structure remained exactly the same, but a designer did some minor tweaks to the typography and color choices? Could that possibly make the site at least a little more presentable? Or would it ruin its current success?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article PJ. I came from an educational background that focused on making beautiful web pages. Elegant typography. Experimental navigation systems. Provocative imagery.  In essence, it was implied that beauty alone could move mountains, or in the case of the internet, summon masses of viewers to that particularly pretty site. Of course, I soon realized that I was wrong when I learned that the success or failure of websites could be easily traced through straight forward statistics. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, many of my designer friends who went through college with a traditional, print background just don&#8217;t get it. They still believe that a beautiful looking site can conquer all, and they are not referring to the Experience design field. They are referring to e-commerce and other information heavy sites!!! Designers need to put their egos aside, realize that web design transcends being merely &#8220;another print project&#8221; or &#8220;art piece.&#8221; Whether we like it or not, facts and numbers take precedence over feelings and plain old intuition.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a thought to ponder or argue over&#8230;Although the Craigslist sight is supposedly an excellent example of organization, its visually design is underpar. What if the site structure remained exactly the same, but a designer did some minor tweaks to the typography and color choices? Could that possibly make the site at least a little more presentable? Or would it ruin its current success?</p>
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		<title>By: somerandomdude</title>
		<link>http://www.somerandomdude.net/blog/design/empirically-beautiful/#comment-4450</link>
		<author>somerandomdude</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.somerandomdude.net/blog/design/empirically-beautiful/#comment-4450</guid>
		<description>Thanks so much for the comments guys - I'm sorry it took so long to reply. I'm definitely glad a few people agree with this point of view although I have the suspicion many folks think otherwise. 

After working directly with information architects, I have come to the accute conclusion that we designers have &lt;em&gt;a lot&lt;/em&gt; to learn from them. In addition, I would suggest that they are just another flavor of the design profession. If any of you have the opportunity to work with a good group of information artchitects, jump at the opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for the comments guys - I&#8217;m sorry it took so long to reply. I&#8217;m definitely glad a few people agree with this point of view although I have the suspicion many folks think otherwise. </p>
<p>After working directly with information architects, I have come to the accute conclusion that we designers have <em>a lot</em> to learn from them. In addition, I would suggest that they are just another flavor of the design profession. If any of you have the opportunity to work with a good group of information artchitects, jump at the opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: evan</title>
		<link>http://www.somerandomdude.net/blog/design/empirically-beautiful/#comment-4388</link>
		<author>evan</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.somerandomdude.net/blog/design/empirically-beautiful/#comment-4388</guid>
		<description>This is a great article, and all designers out there should read this. I currently work at an online advertising company, that operates exactly like you described. I can't divulge into much detail, but most of (if not all) of my work is "art directed" by math and analysts. It's a very hard process to get used to, but our revenue numbers are proof of concept. Designers really need to pay attention to user interactions, and really keep to common sense in designing. 

And yes, back in the day I did many splash pages and unecessary flash intros.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great article, and all designers out there should read this. I currently work at an online advertising company, that operates exactly like you described. I can&#8217;t divulge into much detail, but most of (if not all) of my work is &#8220;art directed&#8221; by math and analysts. It&#8217;s a very hard process to get used to, but our revenue numbers are proof of concept. Designers really need to pay attention to user interactions, and really keep to common sense in designing. </p>
<p>And yes, back in the day I did many splash pages and unecessary flash intros.</p>
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		<title>By: Intelligent Experience Design &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Aesthetic Web Design Hates Empirical Analysis</title>
		<link>http://www.somerandomdude.net/blog/design/empirically-beautiful/#comment-4288</link>
		<author>Intelligent Experience Design &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Aesthetic Web Design Hates Empirical Analysis</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.somerandomdude.net/blog/design/empirically-beautiful/#comment-4288</guid>
		<description>[...] There seems to be a great riff these days between design and analysis. Usually the argument from the aestheticians seems to be self-preserving rather than logical. In many ill-conceived articles and posts, these authors even go so far as to question the scientific method and the unequivocally powerful field of statistical inference. To me, these arguments are plain provincial. On the other hand, the analytically inclined camp also fails to appreciate the potential and relevance of informed graphic design. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] There seems to be a great riff these days between design and analysis. Usually the argument from the aestheticians seems to be self-preserving rather than logical. In many ill-conceived articles and posts, these authors even go so far as to question the scientific method and the unequivocally powerful field of statistical inference. To me, these arguments are plain provincial. On the other hand, the analytically inclined camp also fails to appreciate the potential and relevance of informed graphic design. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmy</title>
		<link>http://www.somerandomdude.net/blog/design/empirically-beautiful/#comment-4287</link>
		<author>Kimmy</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.somerandomdude.net/blog/design/empirically-beautiful/#comment-4287</guid>
		<description>Absolutely superb article PJ. This is exactly the kind of thinking that everyone should try to evangelize. As with most other things, a middle ground often works best and designers, as you put it, should embrace these statistical methods and empirical knowledge - they exist for a very good reason. There are a wealth of studies out there that can help to inform the decisions that we make as designers and users experience architects. So even though I "feel" that users expect to see search in the upper right corner or that the common practice is to put the logo in the upper-left corner of the page; this does not always work best and testing and analyzing the costs/benefits and pros/cons can reveal those differences. In fact, sometimes our intuition as to what is "best" or even expected may be incorrect: user's perspectives change with the changing of the web and using these studies, observations and analyses will keep us in tune. In the end, it IS about creating something effective. 

Your comments about AJAX are particular insightful in this way. Who would have thought that users may come to expect that simply choosing an item from a drop-down list or checking a check box would cause the page to change in some way? And yet, we are beginning to see this shift, particularly with more experienced web users. Being aware of these shifts and trends can make us better professionals to provide optimal experiences and reduce the frustration of all applications. Of course, with every new trend things may go awry, but paying attention to the numbers will definitely offset these missteps.

Regardless, kudos on this article. It is great to have an advocate in the design realm. I hope that the collaboration between designers and pure user experience professionals increases (along with mutual respect), because when this happens, I really believe that the web can finally evolve into something greater than it is, for companies, prosumers and users alike :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely superb article PJ. This is exactly the kind of thinking that everyone should try to evangelize. As with most other things, a middle ground often works best and designers, as you put it, should embrace these statistical methods and empirical knowledge - they exist for a very good reason. There are a wealth of studies out there that can help to inform the decisions that we make as designers and users experience architects. So even though I &#8220;feel&#8221; that users expect to see search in the upper right corner or that the common practice is to put the logo in the upper-left corner of the page; this does not always work best and testing and analyzing the costs/benefits and pros/cons can reveal those differences. In fact, sometimes our intuition as to what is &#8220;best&#8221; or even expected may be incorrect: user&#8217;s perspectives change with the changing of the web and using these studies, observations and analyses will keep us in tune. In the end, it IS about creating something effective. </p>
<p>Your comments about AJAX are particular insightful in this way. Who would have thought that users may come to expect that simply choosing an item from a drop-down list or checking a check box would cause the page to change in some way? And yet, we are beginning to see this shift, particularly with more experienced web users. Being aware of these shifts and trends can make us better professionals to provide optimal experiences and reduce the frustration of all applications. Of course, with every new trend things may go awry, but paying attention to the numbers will definitely offset these missteps.</p>
<p>Regardless, kudos on this article. It is great to have an advocate in the design realm. I hope that the collaboration between designers and pure user experience professionals increases (along with mutual respect), because when this happens, I really believe that the web can finally evolve into something greater than it is, for companies, prosumers and users alike <img src='http://www.somerandomdude.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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